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Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« on: June 29, 2012, 03:26:10 PM »
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I am posting this e mail because so many do not know this truth...

And also because she was on 3 times this week talking about her new book...

And how good she feels in her 70's... She still does not know what she did wrong..her book just may not make the best list if more people knew...

Also...



Barbara Walters said:

Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms.

I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now.

She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."

(I remember this well)

For those who served and/or died. . .

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

And now President OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!!

In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison]

IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED.

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

BARBARA WALTERS WRITES:

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.


The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.

The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.'

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the ' Hanoi Hilton'...the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. >

She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi . My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)

We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....'

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... And how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,

USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,

Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 04:27:43 PM »

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Look at me now man, damn!
 I don't know where I am
 What must I do with all this fucking money in my hand?
 Used to be a no one, now I'm the fucking man
 With this fuck-you money to say fuck you cause I can

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 06:36:06 PM »
IDGI  ???
The only thing more dangerous than a woman scorned is a man with nothing left to lose.

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 06:45:11 PM »
IDGI  ???
too long didn't read= tl;dr

tl;dr = teal dear

teal dear =


Fine example of redneck maff.  ;)
I also figured out IDGI.  :)

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 06:46:07 PM »
IDGI  ???
Damn, Phoe may have beat me but to clarify -

Which part, the comparison between two old cunts 40 years past their prime or the teal deer?

Look at me now man, damn!
 I don't know where I am
 What must I do with all this fucking money in my hand?
 Used to be a no one, now I'm the fucking man
 With this fuck-you money to say fuck you cause I can

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 08:03:19 PM »
too long didn't read= tl;dr

tl;dr = teal dear

teal dear =


Fine example of redneck maff.  ;)
I also figured out IDGI.  :)

Now that is some cryptic shit.
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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 08:34:48 PM »
Chuckie, has anyone lately told you that you are a mindless douchetard?
KUM-BA-YA MOTHERFUCKERS!

The trouble with "morality" is Human nature.

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 08:57:17 PM »
I never realised there was so much hatred for Jane Fonda. She should come to Australia and sit on my face.
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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 09:10:17 PM »
Oz, Scroll straight down to Opposition to Vietnam War and the next section
"Hanoi Jane" controversy.

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Because of her time in North Vietnam, the ensuing circulated rumors regarding the visit, and statements made following her return, resentment against her among veterans and those currently serving in the U.S. military still exists. For example, at the U.S. Naval Academy, when a plebe shouts out "Goodnight, Jane Fonda!", the entire company will reply "Goodnight, bitch!"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Fonda#.22Hanoi_Jane.22_controversy

She's a cunt.

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 09:55:45 PM »
Yeah, but check out the snopes entry on the same topic Phoe.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

Undecided is me, but propaganda was running hot at the time. Her brother was one of those 'reefer smoking hippys' and her dad was a raving commie (democrat).

Wikipedia is the arsehole of internet factualism.

(I'd really love to have the time to really research the topic, as an impartial observer).
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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 10:09:34 PM »
She stood up, she spoke her mind. Perhaps at the time her opinion was unpopular, but let's face it: Vietnam was one of the single biggest frauds with which the Owners fucked the People of the USA 12 inches right up the ass.
KUM-BA-YA MOTHERFUCKERS!

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 10:50:00 PM »
Another copy/paste from our designated idiot.

Now let's see a bit of real info from Fact Check:

It is not true, as this e-mail claims, that Jerry Driscoll, a former POW in Vietnam, suffered career-ending double vision from a beating he allegedly received from his captors after Fonda visited. Driscoll, who has said he never met Fonda, has denied for years that the scenario described in the e-mail ever happened. In 2005, the Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported him saying:

    Star Tribune, May 25, 2005: "Totally false. It did not happen," Driscoll said.

    Held almost seven years, Driscoll has negative feelings about Fonda because of her visit, but he wasnít beaten because of her and can see just fine. After all, he flies corporate jets now, after retiring as a pilot from the Air Force and later American Airlines.

    "I donít know who came up with [my] name. The trouble that individual has caused me!" he said, referring to the time he has spent repeatedly denying the persistent myth.

It also is not true that Fonda gave North Vietnamese guards little pieces of paper with the Social Security numbers of American POWs on them that supposedly resulted in the beatings of former POW Larry Carrigan and three others.


Since e-mails like this one began circulating in 1999, Mike McGrath, a former POW and director and historian of the Nam-POWs, has been denying that there were any beating deaths as a result of Fondaís visit:

    Star Tribune, May 25, 2005: Carrigan, 64, is so tired of having to repeat that he wasnít beaten after Fondaís visit and that there were no beating deaths at that time that he wonít talk to the media anymore, said Mike McGrath, a retired Navy pilot held for almost six years and historian of the nonprofit NAM-POWs veterans group. McGrath, 65, of Colorado, also said there were no known beating deaths of POWs after 1969. All known POWs in North Vietnam were released early in 1973.


    "We donít want to be party to false stories, which could be used as an excuse that her real actions didnít really happen, either," McGrath wrote in a 1999 rebuttal to the e-mails, when he was president of NAM-POWs.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/blame-jane-falsehoods/


The most hilarious statement was made by Baba Wawa: "Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms".

For "our freedoms"? Were the North Vietnamese establishing beachheads in Malibu and ready to march on Washington to tear up the Bill of Rights?

Bullshit, too many died for nothing but a political quagmire that started way before Dien Bien Phu, due to French Colonial policies, and the error of judgement made by several American Presidents beginning with Wilson's lack of leadership in the Summer of 1919 when the Vietnamese delegation was turned away by Clemenceau and LLoyd George (one of the delegates was a very young Ho Chi Minh) after having been promised autonomy.

I saw many young American kids of my own age die in our Evac for this Washington bullshit and the gross incompetence of Wastemoreland who tried to win a war of attrition without any reasonable exit strategy.

I give Fonda props for speaking her mind when others were too chicken to say anything.

I had enlisted and when I was asked ""Why?" I answered, "I know we are the Hessians, but they're our Hessians and deserve TLC"


Chuckie, sometimes you're not funny, and this is one of those times, assbreath.
"I also miss living in a society where kindness was considered a virtue to be taught and praised, rather than a weakness to be mocked.

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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 10:58:36 PM »
It's an unfortunate tie-over that everone believes what they read, so long as it's in print. In the internet age that means shit.
This is why I use Wikipedia as a guide, not a source.
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Re: Barbara Walters vs Jane Fonda
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 11:02:48 PM »
Oz, its greatest use is the fine bibliography found at the bottom of the articles and the discussions from the menu at the top.


(Oz, Mrs. GD was a Librarian at Stanford, and trained me well ) :D
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